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		<title>Comment on Correct pronunciation &#8211; we old (-er) folk are particular about this by Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My biology teacher pronounce it as 
Sissle and dissale]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biology teacher pronounce it as<br />
Sissle and dissale</p>
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		<title>Comment on One alternative reality, please…! No, make that several. by Guy Van Elsacker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Van Elsacker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest nonsense here is that we have three categories of people who make comments. The first cat. is people who think. Not so much of them will make a comment. Then there are people who know. They are in a minority and they will only react in cases as this. But the biggest catogory tho give some coment is those who &quot;think they know&quot; withouth an in dept study of the situation

This category is a disaster for mankind and science.
Unfortunately a lot of them are in positions where we esteem that they should know better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest nonsense here is that we have three categories of people who make comments. The first cat. is people who think. Not so much of them will make a comment. Then there are people who know. They are in a minority and they will only react in cases as this. But the biggest catogory tho give some coment is those who &#8220;think they know&#8221; withouth an in dept study of the situation</p>
<p>This category is a disaster for mankind and science.<br />
Unfortunately a lot of them are in positions where we esteem that they should know better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And... just after I penned the above, &lt;a href=&quot;http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/19/12835335-cdc-whooping-cough-epidemic-worst-in-50-years?lite&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a story to illustrate it&lt;/a&gt;. Sadly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230; just after I penned the above, <a href="http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/19/12835335-cdc-whooping-cough-epidemic-worst-in-50-years?lite" rel="nofollow">a story to illustrate it</a>. Sadly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Aust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, that comment got stuck in the spam filter, and I&#039;ve not been checking it much lately as the blog has been dormant.

My mother was also offered &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/controversies/thalidomide.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thalidomide&lt;/a&gt;, which I guess is what &#039;parent&#039; is referring to, when pregnant with me. Of course, following the thalidomide tragedy a whole regime of drug safety testing was put in place, the forerunner of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;modern regulatory set-up&lt;/a&gt;. The success of this is the reason why there has been no repeat of anything similar.  

[Incidentally, the major reason new drugs fail in the final testing stage of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clinical trials&lt;/a&gt; (called &#039;Phase 3&#039;, when the drug is given to 300-3000 people) is unacceptable unwanted effects - including toxicity. The fact that so many compounds do fail in Phase 3 is an indication as to how high the bar is set nowadays.  Many drugs of the past  - including some things that &#039;natural therapy&#039; people like to use, incidentally - would not have got approved under the current regime since they do not have an acceptable safety margin, toxicity or &#039;side effect profile&#039; by current standards.] 

Getting back to vaccines - as I&#039;ve said before, I don&#039;t think anyone is &#039;indicting&#039; &lt;i&gt;parents&lt;/i&gt; for being confused. I am far angrier with all the &lt;i&gt;journalists&lt;/i&gt; who should know better, and who were largely responsible for creating a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;manufactroversy&#039;&lt;/a&gt; about vaccination where none really exists. In medical and scientific terms, the benefit of vaccination in general, and MMR in particular, is a completely open and shut case - but it was presented (and continues to be in some quarters) as a real &lt;i&gt;&#039;the jury is still out&#039;&lt;/i&gt; argument. 

I would hope most people in healthcare are sympathetic to parents&#039; confusion, and ready to offer help and advice. But you can see how people in healthcare and science might get frustrated when that advice is disbelieved in favour of 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#039;What X in my natural childbirth antenatal class told me she read in a leaflet from the health food shop&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

- or similar.  

One of the things that has amazed me is that in my neck of the woods it tends to be the middle-class professional degree-educated parents who don&#039;t vaccinate. None of these (at least the ones I know) are people with scientific degrees or professions, BTW. Anyway, one rather depressing effect of their level of education seems to be that it deceives them into thinking they can judge the evidence on vaccination better than all the people whose job it is to do it. A similar effect can be seen in attitudes to childbirth, which I discussed &lt;a href=&quot;http://draust.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/otherwise-engaged/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;back here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that comment got stuck in the spam filter, and I&#8217;ve not been checking it much lately as the blog has been dormant.</p>
<p>My mother was also offered <a href="http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/controversies/thalidomide.aspx" rel="nofollow">thalidomide</a>, which I guess is what &#8216;parent&#8217; is referring to, when pregnant with me. Of course, following the thalidomide tragedy a whole regime of drug safety testing was put in place, the forerunner of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development" rel="nofollow">modern regulatory set-up</a>. The success of this is the reason why there has been no repeat of anything similar.  </p>
<p>[Incidentally, the major reason new drugs fail in the final testing stage of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research" rel="nofollow">clinical trials</a> (called 'Phase 3', when the drug is given to 300-3000 people) is unacceptable unwanted effects - including toxicity. The fact that so many compounds do fail in Phase 3 is an indication as to how high the bar is set nowadays.  Many drugs of the past  - including some things that 'natural therapy' people like to use, incidentally - would not have got approved under the current regime since they do not have an acceptable safety margin, toxicity or 'side effect profile' by current standards.] </p>
<p>Getting back to vaccines &#8211; as I&#8217;ve said before, I don&#8217;t think anyone is &#8216;indicting&#8217; <i>parents</i> for being confused. I am far angrier with all the <i>journalists</i> who should know better, and who were largely responsible for creating a <a href="http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/" rel="nofollow">&#8216;manufactroversy&#8217;</a> about vaccination where none really exists. In medical and scientific terms, the benefit of vaccination in general, and MMR in particular, is a completely open and shut case &#8211; but it was presented (and continues to be in some quarters) as a real <i>&#8216;the jury is still out&#8217;</i> argument. </p>
<p>I would hope most people in healthcare are sympathetic to parents&#8217; confusion, and ready to offer help and advice. But you can see how people in healthcare and science might get frustrated when that advice is disbelieved in favour of </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;What X in my natural childbirth antenatal class told me she read in a leaflet from the health food shop&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>- or similar.  </p>
<p>One of the things that has amazed me is that in my neck of the woods it tends to be the middle-class professional degree-educated parents who don&#8217;t vaccinate. None of these (at least the ones I know) are people with scientific degrees or professions, BTW. Anyway, one rather depressing effect of their level of education seems to be that it deceives them into thinking they can judge the evidence on vaccination better than all the people whose job it is to do it. A similar effect can be seen in attitudes to childbirth, which I discussed <a href="http://draust.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/otherwise-engaged/" rel="nofollow">back here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by parent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 00:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not wise to judge parents who dont know what to do for the best or who to listen to, I myself could have been affected for life if my mother had taken the anti morning sickness pill, please dont forget who suffers when Drs get things wrong.  I did have my children vacinated, but the nurse commenting didnt have to think about her own children because they are much older. Easy to comment when you&#039;re not making that decision Nurse Berry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not wise to judge parents who dont know what to do for the best or who to listen to, I myself could have been affected for life if my mother had taken the anti morning sickness pill, please dont forget who suffers when Drs get things wrong.  I did have my children vacinated, but the nurse commenting didnt have to think about her own children because they are much older. Easy to comment when you&#8217;re not making that decision Nurse Berry</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For anyone still following, Prof Dorothy Bishop of Oxford University (who is a developmental psychologist) has just addressed &#039;diagnostic substitution&#039; for autism (i.e. the idea that people now given an ASD diagnosis would, in earlier times, have had a label other than autism, or even no label at all), in a new post on her blog: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://deevybee.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/autism-epidemic-and-diagnostic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Autism Epidemic and Diagnostic Substitution&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t convince Tony, or others who want to see conspiracies everywhere, but it is good reading for those with at least partly open minds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone still following, Prof Dorothy Bishop of Oxford University (who is a developmental psychologist) has just addressed &#8216;diagnostic substitution&#8217; for autism (i.e. the idea that people now given an ASD diagnosis would, in earlier times, have had a label other than autism, or even no label at all), in a new post on her blog: </p>
<p><a href="http://deevybee.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/autism-epidemic-and-diagnostic.html" rel="nofollow">The Autism Epidemic and Diagnostic Substitution</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it won&#8217;t convince Tony, or others who want to see conspiracies everywhere, but it is good reading for those with at least partly open minds.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting the bird by For The Birds &#171; Big Apple Dayze</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[For The Birds &#171; Big Apple Dayze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by tony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 03:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[brainwashed draust, they get it at the same rates they have always gotten it...don&#039;t worry though, your ego is safe and the 24/7 information industrial complex will keep stroking it as long as you rebleat what they say...i guess ignorance is bliss for fools who trust in the bankster press and government]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brainwashed draust, they get it at the same rates they have always gotten it&#8230;don&#8217;t worry though, your ego is safe and the 24/7 information industrial complex will keep stroking it as long as you rebleat what they say&#8230;i guess ignorance is bliss for fools who trust in the bankster press and government</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by draust</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[draust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 15:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey ho. &lt;a href=&quot;http://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/webprogram/Paper7336.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Amish *do* get autism&lt;/a&gt;, tony. But don&#039;t let facts spoil your conspiracy theory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ho. <a href="http://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/webprogram/Paper7336.html" rel="nofollow">The Amish *do* get autism</a>, tony. But don&#8217;t let facts spoil your conspiracy theory.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who needs facts? These vaccine conspiracy pieces write themselves… by tony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 14:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;intelligent&quot; people have so much ego they can&#039;t believe they have been fooled (even if it is their own eyes) they will cling to every bit of the 24/7 programming that tells them they are still intelligent and not fools ...i.e. draust rebleating &quot;diagnoses is now better&quot; bullshite...have you seen an autistic person ?  there is no missing the severity...and in the usa...the &quot;ignorant&quot; amish who do not get vaccines do not get autism....but go ahead and explain your eyes away again in favor of your oversized ego...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;intelligent&#8221; people have so much ego they can&#8217;t believe they have been fooled (even if it is their own eyes) they will cling to every bit of the 24/7 programming that tells them they are still intelligent and not fools &#8230;i.e. draust rebleating &#8220;diagnoses is now better&#8221; bullshite&#8230;have you seen an autistic person ?  there is no missing the severity&#8230;and in the usa&#8230;the &#8220;ignorant&#8221; amish who do not get vaccines do not get autism&#8230;.but go ahead and explain your eyes away again in favor of your oversized ego&#8230;</p>
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